Talk:Toyota Mirai

Next steps

This is a very good start to the article. We state that the car is a hybrid but don't explain how that works. How the battery and electric motor and regenerative braking interact should briefly be explained and cross-referenced to the articles that explain this technology. We also need to give information about the expected fuel efficiency of the vehicle, acceleration from 0 to 60, top speed, safety ratings, and other performance estimates. Next steps for the article include adding independent reviews of the vehicle by car magazines, consumer reports, etc. when those are available and, once the car is actually launched, to give the actual launch dates in each major market, plus sales figures when they become available. We could also describe the stying, interior, cockpit features, and other design, electronics or cultural factors, government incentives, etc. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:33, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it's correct to call it a hybrid. Hybrid implies a mix between to different propulsion systems which isn't really true. It's an electric car where the electricity is generated from hydrogen through a fuel cell stack. Just because you use a battery as buffer storage doesn't make it a hybrid in my opinion. If it had a hydrogen powered combustion engine together with electric motors, then it would be a hybrid. 85.228.192.39 (talk) 16:12, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. People expect hybrids to have electric motors and be able to use carbon based fuels (whether or not carbon neutral). This is the view taken by both the first sentence of the article Hybrid cars, and by the EPA, which classifies the BMW i3 as a zero-emission (ZEV) electric vehicle and the BMW i3 REx as a plug-in hybrid. That the latter has a range of 80-120 miles on battery is meaningless for a non-commuter car that's on the road all day delivering papers, passengers, pizzas, etc. Expect fleet owners to be the first major consumers of FCEVs, it doesn't make economic sense for them to have a substantial fraction of their fleets off the road charging at any given time, they'd need to own and maintain more vehicles. (I lease a Mirai so I may be biased.) Vaughan Pratt (talk) 17:44, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

References

All of the references need to give the publisher's name and, where possible, the name of the author. We should try not to rely too heavily on Toyota's own statements and presentations and instead use independent, third party references. See WP:CITE and WP:SPS for more information. -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:51, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Mirai

I took the liberty of changing "The car was rumoured to be called "Mirai" to "The car was reported to be called "Mirai." After looking into the matter myself, I came to the conclusion that " rumoured" is a bit harsh, and that it does not reflect the source. Bloomberg has the information from an inside source that simply did not want to be named "because the decision hasn’t been made public." BsBsBs (talk) 10:16, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

No worries. Although "a person familiar with the matter" isn't the most scholarly of references. No matter, we'll see what happens soon, so I'm not going to argue the point.  Stepho  talk  12:37, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

It turned out the rumor was right. I renamed the page using the Mirai name & created a section under history for the FCV concept car. After more details & particularly technical specs, we can move the specs of the FCV if necessary. It looks to me the concept car was quite close to the series production model. --Mariordo (talk) 19:05, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Tux

Is that Tux on the photo ? Will the Mirai have Automotive Grade Linux onboard ? prob Tizen Mion (talk) 19:17, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

hydrogen station costs

I think 4-5 million dollar is far to high, a station was 2 million dollar 10 years ago and dropped to approx 1 million, i suppose the extra costs include a solar system to generate the hydrogen. Mion (talk) 01:48, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

35 stations for $ 51 million in Germany[1]. Mion (talk) 03:31, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

I think the Reuters article is based on [2] where JX Nippon states that it costs $ 4,4 million a station. Mion (talk) 03:36, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Anti-hydrogen claims from anon-IP

An anon-IP is adding strong claims. He added the following underlined sentence to the article (my underlining):

The unveiled FCV concept was a bright blue sedan shaped like a drop of water "to emphasize that water is the only substance that hydrogen-powered cars emit from their tailpipes." By doing so Toyota seeks to divert attention from the Hydrogen fuel source that in economic quantities is derived from natural gas via a process that is 46.4% more carbon intensive than gasoline.

He has given no reference to back up his claim. He also added many other general anti-hydrogen bits (all without references) that I deleted as inappropriate to an article on a specific car. I have of course reverted his changes but could somebody else keep an eye on him so that it doesn't look like I am just a Toyota fan boy.  Stepho  talk  02:49, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

A bit strong to say that the comment you cited above is "inappropriate to an article on a specific car", especially when the Mirai is a leading product in this newly emerging market. But yes, absolutely not worthy of inclusion without supporting references. The article itself is not particularly balanced; I would like to see some appropriate criticism of the technology as used in the Mirai and its limitations and drawbacks, as well as a balanced view of Toyota's claims about this vehicle, which are afterall made in the interests of commercial success and not independent of financial motive. In good faith, thanks. Bennycat (talk) 16:15, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

People don't seem to consider that electric (battery) cars run on electricity often generated from carbon based sources. It seems to me, though, that even if the hydrogen does come from natural gas, that it might be easier to sequester the carbon than from power plants. In any case, it is something to consider. Gah4 (talk) 02:22, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Hydrogen_production#CO2_sequestration suggests that sequestration shouldn't be so hard, but currently mostly isn't being done. Gah4 (talk) 02:33, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

That's a topic that can be argued at the fuel cell vehicle article. This article only talks about this specific car, not the general concept of fuel cell vehicles.  Stepho  talk  13:48, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Real car... or viral marketing for Back To The Future?

Before the release of the 30-year anniversary Back To The Future pack, Universal advertised it with viral commercials about products that don't exist in our reality, but exist in the movie universe. Like Pepsi Perfect, the hoverboard and Jaws 19.

At the same time, lots of commercials came out about this alleged car, with explicit references to Back To The Future.

The name of this alleged car is stated to be "Mirai", which means "future" in Japanese (and ties it to Back To The Future) but is a little too similar to the English word mirage.

One of the commercial even says, and I quote, that the car can be fuelled by bullshit. Manure was present in all three Back To The Future movies, and "bullshit" also means a fib, lie or nonsense.

Considering all these facts, does the Toyota Mirai even exist? Or is it viral marketing depicting a nonexisting product, like the hoverboard, that was only made up to promote Back To The Future? Devil Master (talk) 20:02, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

It's definitely a viral marketing campaign. It's also a real car. Toyota is hamming it up with the B2TF ads for all its worth but it's to sell a real car. It is sold in Japan alongside other Japanese market models:

• http://toyota.jp/mirai/?padid=ag001_i_carlineup_top&ptopid=hea
• http://toyota.jp/carlineup/#sedan

By the way, it's pig manure that is often used to power things. It is normally turned into methane (the major component of Natural Gas but it can also be processed into hydrogen.  Stepho  talk  07:41, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Non-neutral POV

Parts of this article read like an ad for the car. It uses words like "excellent" that are mere subjective evaluations of the car's merits. To read the article one would think that the Mirai is god's latest gift to humanity. Blixton (talk) 03:19, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Feel free to fix the worst of it.  Stepho  talk  14:29, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

The Mirai is mechanically related to the Prius???

On this article and the newest Prius' article I saw that they were somehow mechanically related. That is, each vehicle was listed in the "related" section of each other's infoboxes.

The only relationship I can see between the Mirai and Prius is them being eco-friendly Toyota vehicles. I cannot find any source mentioning any mechanical relationship between them. Can somebody verify or debunk this, please?

Thanks, Kaio mh (talk) 08:41, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

You are correct, they share only minor bits and pieces. There are no large assemblies shared between them. At most the electric motor and the battery pack probably share some underlying technology - but a 4 cylinder Corolla engine also shares technology with the LS430 V8 engine, so I would dismiss that.  Stepho  talk  09:50, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Second Generation Mirai

Toyota has announced a second generation to the Mirai and therefore this article needs to eventually create seperate Sections for the first and Second Generation, once it is sufficiently pinned down and sources are available(or whenever someone sees fit) I am no expert on this, and have rarely if ever muddled with articles in the automotive space. However, it should be done to reflect the nature of events and Toyota's continued commitment to HFCEVs. Obviously that will involve deciding what is specific to the 1st gen and what is true overall, as well as possibly splitting to create a separate article about the 1st gen car. It's also (IMO) quite a lot nicer looking. §747-200B (talk) 18:15, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

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